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« on: March 06, 2006, 11:03:04 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2006, 11:19:45 AM »

Illinois Youth Center St. Charles
Opened: December 1904
Capacity: 318
Level 2: High Medium-Security Juvenile Male
Average Daily Population: 432
 
Total Average Daily Population: 432
Average Age: 17
Average Annual Cost Per Inmate: $56,163.00

 
 
 
 
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IDOC Visitation Rules and Information -- please review before visiting

On the first visit to any correctional facility, the visitors will be required to have a photo identification, such as a driver's license, a state identification card, or acceptable documentation of non-US citizen including a current passport, Visa, or Matricula, and documentation that includes their social security numbers if US citizens, and date of birth.

Please have two forms of identification; one should be a photo ID for additional visits.

10:00am-4:00pm (Mon,Tue,Fri & weekends) 
 
 
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Business Mail:
4450 Lincoln Highway
St. Charles, Il 60175

Phone: (630) 584-0506
 Inmate Mail:
4450 Lincoln Highway
St. Charles, Il 60175

 
 
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 07:10:12 PM »

Hi, my son has been recently put in IYC St. Charles, he is still going through processing. He does have and ID and we have visited him once already. No phone calls yet though. I am waiting for all the other information as of yet, regarding phone calls, what we can bring him and such. If anyone has any information on this it would be helpful. He just turned 15 and is in because of anger and emotional problems that caused him to act out.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 07:42:53 PM »

Thanks for the info....when you learn more particulars it would be wonderful if you could post the information for others that may come along after you....thanx....
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 09:45:46 PM »

Hi, I did learn a couple of more things today, regarding medications. I received a phone call from the nurse letting me know that they took my son off of the medicines that he was just put on 2 months ago when he was hospitalized (this is a big thing that bothers me because I don't think it is to safe to keep changing meds) this is actually the third time now since he has become sick and in trouble. But.....they asked me if it was ok to put him on prozac because they do not carry the meds he was on and they would put him on a low dose and monitor him. I had to ok it because I felt if he didn't have something to take the place of the other 2 meds he was on, something would happen to him, and having depression and ADD I was at a loss.  wc23 I hate this whole thing.

The other thing is, parents should receive is a certified letter in the mail in which I had to sign for today from IYC-St. Charles. This gives you some information about visiting and some forms you have to fill out regarding your childs immunizations, past hospitalizations, insurance, religion, etc. And consent forms.
I would imagine they want these back asap just by them sending them certified so be sure to do these right away.

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The only thing I am having a problem with is finding him in the system, I put in his number and tried the other ways, but he dosen't show up. Is it because he is still in intake? or is it different for a juvenile? Can anyone answer that for me?

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 05:52:42 PM »



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The only thing I am having a problem with is finding him in the system, I put in his number and tried the other ways, but he dosen't show up. Is it because he is still in intake? or is it different for a juvenile? Can anyone answer that for me?

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k48dolly - I do not work at IYC-STC but I do work at another Illinois Youth Center.  You will not be able to track him because he is a juvenile.  You should be able to direct all your questions to his assigned Juvenile Justice Youth and Family Specialist (counselor).  Hope that helps!
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 06:32:29 PM »

I'm sorry to hear they've changed your son's meds.  Prozac is a very controverial drug to be used on children....can you tell me what he was taking before?  I'm willing to bet it was Paxil or one of the other expensive drugs and they won't pay for it....Wellbutrin?
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 08:32:56 PM »

Yes he was on Wellbutrin and also Tryliptal, which we had just gotten filled and they were given a months worth, so I don't know why they couldn't take him off of them slowly instead of all at once. I was just told that they will take the meds he came with and give them to the pharmacy. Makes me wonder what their going to do with them, were the one who had to pay $70 for them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 09:28:32 PM »

My biggest concern would be whether he is properly diagnosed PRIOR to entering the facility.  Perhaps they are also  concerned..  Being depressed (acting out in anger because of depression) in cyclical patterns is one way to diagnose bi-polar, different than ADD.

While ADD is initially diagnosed in most bi-polar patients (sometimes the symptoms are very similar), anti-depressents in this class (Prozac) of meds has been known to cause even more serious depression with teens with known bi-polar. Therefore, he should be monitored closely.

Welbutrin is an anti-depressent, but is in its own class.  There can be a sense of relative pleasantness when on this drug (no serious side effects from immediate withdrawl), however this drug can also cause sleeping problems (unlike Prozac and other anti-depressents).

The reason I mention bi-polar is that when doctors feel young adults may be bi-polar, they initially prescribe Trileptal (a mood stabilizer), as the adverse effects are much more dimished than the usual drug prescribed such as lithium or depakote or other drugs such as Abilify.
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 10:10:59 PM »

Hi Mama, he was in the hospital for 3 weeks, then in JJC for 30 days, then straight to IYC In St Charles. Previous to his hospitalization, his phsy, had him on Paxil and Adderall, adderall he was on for about a year and the paxil about 6 months. He does had ADD, as he was diagnosed by the school, phys, and our Dr. who had tested him. When he acted out, tried to hang himself, cut himself, come after me, (when his girlfriend wanted to break up) is when he snapped and was put in the hospital for mental health for the 3 weeks, they changed his meds to the triliptal and wellbutrin, saying his thinking and choices were related to depression and a borderline split personality, they had a name for it but it wasn't bipolar.(I have a sister-n-law with bipolar and she is totally different than my son). Anyway, we saw a great improvement with him on these meds, he was thinking clearer, he realized he is the one who made the choices and there is no excuse, he should have known better and taking responsibility for himself. They brought him out of denial. My husband and I were very Happy with him, he wasn't a smart mouth, thought before he talked.

In school he was in the LD classes for his learning disability.

And now that they changed him to just the prozac and nothing for his ADD I am very worried, as I am sure you know, kids with ADD act out at times, can't concentrate. The Wellbutrin was used for his antidepressant and ADD.

I guess I will see how he is on Sunday when we visit him again if he is still at St Charles. They just finished up his admitting stuff today as his counsler said, but they haven't decided yet if he will stay there or go somewhere else, and I am praying to God, he stays where he is, it's already 1 1/2 hrs away, the other place they mentioned is Kewanee and that is 3 1/2 to 4 hrs. away. I have had 3 back surgeries and it's hard enough sitting in the car for the ride to St. Charles.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 10:50:40 PM »

I feel for you.  ADD, Bi-Polar, ADHD, Schizophrenia runs in my family.  My child was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD when he was 17 - but by that time, it was too late...he was considered an adult and could opt out of taking the meds (which he did).  I strongly suspect he is Bi-polar, as is my sister, as was my brother (now deceased), as well as was my mother.  Each of them manifested the symptoms differently....but do keep your ears up....as all of this seems to be heriditary, and can spiral from one diagnosis to another.

I had very similar experiences with my son... as you know, these kids self-medicate - which complicates the situation.  Your son sounds like a sensitive soul....who simultaneously externalizes his pain while internalizing it.  Impulsivity seems to be an umbrella of all those diagnosis (not being able to control his actions/words/concentrate).

I feel for these kids....they can't help themselves....and most are very remorseful after they wrap their brains around their actions.  But as you mentioned, many can't see the forest through the trees....and many don't understand the causal effects of their actions.  There are no handbooks for parents on this....it so painful for the entire family.

I wonder if you as a parent still have jurisdiction over him, as he is a minor.  We have an expert on this forum regarding juvenile institutionalization....her name is JIMS....I would PM her and ask her if you can do something about this med issue.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2009, 12:20:21 AM »

Thank you, your right, these kids have it hard enough in todays world, to many things open, available, things we never heard about. things to detailed on the news, let alone dealing with being a teen. I feel that the woodstock court system let my son down, we had counceling set up, sass set up, out side work set up, the school involved to help when he came home, we even had Sass workers visit him in Juvi every week, but no......the Judge we had was a tirant, I don't even know why he asked my Husband and I how we felt, he took him from us once again anyway! He didn't care that I have a brain tumor, my son recently lost his grandmother whom I took care of and lived with us for 20 years, that his girfriend was pregant and aborted then broke up with him, my son was dealing with a lot of emotion, he received help in the hospital, he was punished with 30 days in juvi, but the judge could care less. This is just not right, the courts gave up on him, they could have let us do the counceling, sass, support from the school and put him on probation.

I am sure my son feels so alone and no one wants to help him, what kind of a justice system do we have if all they want to do is push kids into something that is just going to make them worse and feel worthless. He needs support, love, and guidance, not this kind of punishment.

Oh I didn't tell you, when he was in JJC for the 30 days, he had to switch rooms 3 times because of roaches that were actually crawling on his blanket and ants. You should see his chest and back, he has so many bites. They have to sleep only in their boxers so he only had the wool blanket.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 12:31:07 AM »

I forgot, also at JJC we had to visit him once a week for 1 hr. and with a glass between us and talked through phones, no physical contact at all. and this is a kid that has never spent a night away from home until the hospital.

Now that he is in IYC, he is considered a Ward of the state. They did call me and tell me that they were going to probably change his meds because they don't use the ones he was taking. We had just gotten a months filled and they were taken with him from the court house, $70 worth. Then yesterday they called me and told me that he was going to be taking 20mg of prozac, and asked me if it was ok to give it to him. I had to let them go ahead and give them to him because I know he needs to be on some kind of antidepressant and didn't want his body being more screwed up from being on the other meds. I am just worried because they didn't give anything for his ADD. They said they were going to monitor him for the next 2 weeks, but they don't even know yet if he is going to stay there or move. I am susposed to call them tomorrow at 3:30 and see if the board has made a decision yet.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2009, 12:37:01 AM »

Thank you insideandout, that was very helpful. I kept checking his ID and was wondering why I didn't get anything.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2011, 10:49:50 PM »

I realize it's been a long time since you posted this however, I read it and was wondering how your son was doing?  My son is at Dixon.  Like your son, he too was on Wellbutrin and Trileptal.  When Matt was on Trileptal, his mood swings FINALLY stabilized.  Then wham!  He found himself first in Vandalia and now transferred to Dixon.  Whatever IDOC put him on, his behavior and affective personality was so dramatic that another inmate called his mother in Mt. Pleasant, IL and had her call us to describe his behavior.  He was incoherent, walking and falling.  The next morning, I called the nurse at Vandalia who was hesitant to discuss this with me.  I got so angry at her that I told her she'd better tell me what he was on or I'd be down there in 5 hours with more attorneys than she could count.  I then had our attorney call the warden.  Turns out they were giving our son medication used to regulate heart rythems.  At that point, our son went into refusal and would not take any more medication.  It took him almost 4 months to level out but now it's been 3 years and he's been great.  He had been diagnosed ADHD, Depression, and Bi-polar.  As a special education teacher, I know that all three of these can mask each other so now I'm not even sure he was correctly diagnosed even though we had him at the University of Chicago for so many tests.  Matt will be home 11/27/11 so I'm hopeful that he'll do okay.  I hope your son is doing well too.
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