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Offline Kdm

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2016, 12:31:30 PM »
Thanks for all of your replies.
My son saw someone in mental health at East Moline who said his denial was a mistake.  She was going to fix the record.
I feel like we are now back at square one.  He even thinks that he has to return to Stateville but it will be harder because there will be a lingering confusion.  I wonder if she'll have the authority from East Moline to overrule Stateville or if all mental health providers have the same authority.  Is it too much to hope for that he'd be put at the top of the list?  When he left Stateville both Bootcamp pods were full and he had been there three weeks.

That would be fantastic news if he's actually returned to Stateville and brought back into the BC segregation.  I want you to understand that at no point would I rule the possibility of anything out (I had seen some very bizarre occurrences during my stay), however I would avoid a hopeful stance.  Let the possibility of good news be a pleasant surprise rather than maintaining those hopes until finding out for sure.

I cannot comment on the authority of the mental health workers.  In my experience, the medical and mental health evaluations were rudimentary.  You'd probably shocked if I told you some of the instances of people slipping through the cracks to make it into the program - that includes having sentencing that was not consistent with what should have been allowed in the program. 

In terms of the order he's placed in, there is little rhyme or reason with that.  Length of time sitting can be dependent on multiple things, not limited to those evaluations, or the research into the potential program attendee.  They're very thorough about making sure there are no outstanding cases and/or warrants (this is a good thing, people will be pulled from BC if one comes up).  When I was packed out, there were people who had been waiting 60 days longer than me that eventually made it into the program 30 days after I had.  Without knowing for certain, I would expect it's more of a lottery than anything.  Just consider the fact that if he sits for another 60 days, while as terrible as that sounds, it certainly will not line up with whatever the sentencing was for his conviction.

To be clear, the capacity of the bootcamps are not maxed out.  When I was present in Dixon Springs, the inmate count varied from under 100 to 130.  Capacity for males was well over 200.  As mentioned in a previous posting, it was explained to us that the summer months are packed with everyone they can fit, with all bunks full.  I assume it's based on seasonal curriculum, during the winter months there were only a couple work crews that went out, topping off at 6 when I left in the Spring.  We were told by officers that there were over a dozen work crews during the nicer weather.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2016, 06:29:43 PM »
Thanks for all of your replies.
My son saw someone in mental health at East Moline who said his denial was a mistake.  She was going to fix the record.
I feel like we are now back at square one.  He even thinks that he has to return to Stateville but it will be harder because there will be a lingering confusion.  I wonder if she'll have the authority from East Moline to overrule Stateville or if all mental health providers have the same authority.  Is it too much to hope for that he'd be put at the top of the list?  When he left Stateville both Bootcamp pods were full and he had been there three weeks.

That would be fantastic news if he's actually returned to Stateville and brought back into the BC segregation.  I want you to understand that at no point would I rule the possibility of anything out (I had seen some very bizarre occurrences during my stay), however I would avoid a hopeful stance.  Let the possibility of good news be a pleasant surprise rather than maintaining those hopes until finding out for sure.

I cannot comment on the authority of the mental health workers.  In my experience, the medical and mental health evaluations were rudimentary.  You'd probably shocked if I told you some of the instances of people slipping through the cracks to make it into the program - that includes having sentencing that was not consistent with what should have been allowed in the program. 

In terms of the order he's placed in, there is little rhyme or reason with that.  Length of time sitting can be dependent on multiple things, not limited to those evaluations, or the research into the potential program attendee.  They're very thorough about making sure there are no outstanding cases and/or warrants (this is a good thing, people will be pulled from BC if one comes up).  When I was packed out, there were people who had been waiting 60 days longer than me that eventually made it into the program 30 days after I had.  Without knowing for certain, I would expect it's more of a lottery than anything.  Just consider the fact that if he sits for another 60 days, while as terrible as that sounds, it certainly will not line up with whatever the sentencing was for his conviction.

To be clear, the capacity of the bootcamps are not maxed out.  When I was present in Dixon Springs, the inmate count varied from under 100 to 130.  Capacity for males was well over 200.  As mentioned in a previous posting, it was explained to us that the summer months are packed with everyone they can fit, with all bunks full.  I assume it's based on seasonal curriculum, during the winter months there were only a couple work crews that went out, topping off at 6 when I left in the Spring.  We were told by officers that there were over a dozen work crews during the nicer weather.

Did you know of anyone who came to bootcamp from somewhere other than a reception center? 
Obviously it would be better to wait at East Moline but I don't know how the transportation system works for any transfer.
So do you think they wait to place people at bootcamp based on work crew needs rather than just bed space?

We live in New York and our 20-year old son was arrested on a trip to Illinois so I am searching for every piece of information possible.  There is no reason to most of what he's experienced thus far.  I guess he lost the right to that.

Your posts have been very helpful to us.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2016, 06:33:36 AM »
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Did you know of anyone who came to bootcamp from somewhere other than a reception center?
Obviously it would be better to wait at East Moline but I don't know how the transportation system works for any transfer.
So do you think they wait to place people at bootcamp based on work crew needs rather than just bed space?

We live in New York and our 20-year old son was arrested on a trip to Illinois so I am searching for every piece of information possible.  There is no reason to most of what he's experienced thus far.  I guess he lost the right to that.

They normally move inmates right from the reception centers to the two main prisons that the camps are at, Vienna and Pinckneyville and from there when a bed opens up they will move them into the camp. Bed space may also have to do with length of sentence the inmate was convicted to, those with shorter sentences, maybe moved first, among other criteria.

Have you called his counselor at East Moline?  They will talk to you, but only answer the questions they can.  Just look up the number for East Moline, when you all ask to talk to your sons counselor, give them his # and they should connect.. Make sure you write everything down before you call, so you don't forget anything and again, they should answer what they can.

Did you ever call Springfield, Bob the bootcamp coordinator?
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2016, 02:08:49 PM »
Did you know of anyone who came to bootcamp from somewhere other than a reception center? 
Obviously it would be better to wait at East Moline but I don't know how the transportation system works for any transfer.
So do you think they wait to place people at bootcamp based on work crew needs rather than just bed space?

We live in New York and our 20-year old son was arrested on a trip to Illinois so I am searching for every piece of information possible.  There is no reason to most of what he's experienced thus far.  I guess he lost the right to that.

Your posts have been very helpful to us.

I did not encounter anyone who came from anywhere other than NRC or SRC.  That's not to say it's not possible, but none that I had encountered.

Yes, they place people in the bootcamp depending on other metrics outside of space availability.  It scales based on what type of activity they can accommodate.  When there are a greater number of work crews, etc, they have people actually going out, participating in the community.  During the winter months, sans the few work crews that were present, most prisoners spent their days either standing upright or being disciplined.  I don't have any insight as to why, but my guess is that they actually want participants to be doing something productive.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2016, 02:58:35 PM »
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Did you know of anyone who came to bootcamp from somewhere other than a reception center?
Obviously it would be better to wait at East Moline but I don't know how the transportation system works for any transfer.
So do you think they wait to place people at bootcamp based on work crew needs rather than just bed space?

We live in New York and our 20-year old son was arrested on a trip to Illinois so I am searching for every piece of information possible.  There is no reason to most of what he's experienced thus far.  I guess he lost the right to that.

They normally move inmates right from the reception centers to the two main prisons that the camps are at, Vienna and Pinckneyville and from there when a bed opens up they will move them into the camp. Bed space may also have to do with length of sentence the inmate was convicted to, those with shorter sentences, maybe moved first, among other criteria.


Have you called his counselor at East Moline?  They will talk to you, but only answer the questions they can.  Just look up the number for East Moline, when you all ask to talk to your sons counselor, give them his # and they should connect.. Make sure you write everything down before you call, so you don't forget anything and again, they should answer what they can.

Did you ever call Springfield, Bob the bootcamp coordinator?

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Did you know of anyone who came to bootcamp from somewhere other than a reception center?
Obviously it would be better to wait at East Moline but I don't know how the transportation system works for any transfer.
So do you think they wait to place people at bootcamp based on work crew needs rather than just bed space?

We live in New York and our 20-year old son was arrested on a trip to Illinois so I am searching for every piece of information possible.  There is no reason to most of what he's experienced thus far.  I guess he lost the right to that.

They normally move inmates right from the reception centers to the two main prisons that the camps are at, Vienna and Pinckneyville and from there when a bed opens up they will move them into the camp. Bed space may also have to do with length of sentence the inmate was convicted to, those with shorter sentences, maybe moved first, among other criteria.

Have you called his counselor at East Moline?  They will talk to you, but only answer the questions they can.  Just look up the number for East Moline, when you all ask to talk to your sons counselor, give them his # and they should connect.. Make sure you write everything down before you call, so you don't forget anything and again, they should answer what they can.

Did you ever call Springfield, Bob the bootcamp coordinator?


I did call Springfield but have been talking to a Bruce who is the transfer coordinator.  They didn't know who Bob was.  Maybe he left?
My son talked to someone who said he was moved directly from East Moline to Vienna to Dixon.  I'm hoping that is true and he doesn't need to go back to Stateville.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2016, 03:27:29 PM »


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I did call Springfield but have been talking to a Bruce who is the transfer coordinator.  They didn't know who Bob was.  Maybe he left?
My son talked to someone who said he was moved directly from East Moline to Vienna to Dixon.  I'm hoping that is true and he doesn't need to go back to Stateville.

Bob was there for many years as you can look back in posts here and find reference to him over and over, but they could have put someone else there now, you said his name is Bruce, did you get a last name?

If you call his counselor tomorrow, maybe you can find more out, or at least you can ask and see what they tell you.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2016, 06:26:49 PM »
Are both DuQuoin and Dixon Bootcamps still open/taking new placements?
My son was told today that one closed.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2016, 06:37:13 AM »
Are both DuQuoin and Dixon Bootcamps still open/taking new placements?
My son was told today that one closed.


As far as we know and as far as the IDOC website states, they are both still open and active.

He'll learn and you rumors go around inside like fire.  Good thing he asked you.
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2016, 09:23:44 AM »
He'll learn and you rumors go around inside like fire.  Good thing he asked you.

Forevermah is absolutely correct, this is an understatement.  I was told by a wise person "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear."  That remained largely accurate.  When I was at NRC in waiting, there were people saying that there 3 separate camps, some saying there was just 1, others saying that we were about to be the last group of bootcampers ever.  Part of it was that there was really no first hand account of anything (the reason I wanted to share on this message board), it was largely perpetuation of hearsay.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2016, 06:42:11 AM »
Does anyone know how long it takes for the money I put on my son's books to transfer from Graham R&C to Dixon Springs bootcamp? Would it be quicker to send more?  When we he be able to send letters?  I got the "I am at bootcamp" letter.  Sorry I have so many questions.  Thank you

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2016, 07:17:16 AM »
It usually takes quite a while for $ to follow them. My l/O wasn't in BC but from all I've read, they keep them pretty busy, especially in the beginning, so it could be a bit before you get a letter.

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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2016, 08:05:07 AM »
He cannot buy anything right away when he gets there, so it might be OK and his money could reach him by the time he is allowed commissary.

You can write him and you should, giving him alot of support, just be careful what you put in those letters as I know you've read in other posts here on the BC board.  He can have pictures, but only with family members in them.
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2016, 08:38:39 AM »
Forevermah, any possibility of having this thread merged with the other, so everything can stay self contained?  Probably a bit easier for newcomers to read through a single thread rather than multiple.

Does anyone know how long it takes for the money I put on my son's books to transfer from Graham R&C to Dixon Springs bootcamp? Would it be quicker to send more?  When we he be able to send letters?  I got the "I am at bootcamp" letter.  Sorry I have so many questions.  Thank you

Coby, if you check the other questions thread, I explain most of this already, with the exception of money following from the previous institution.  In my experience it took 2 weeks to a month.  You're better off just letting the money follow, as you're not able to purchase any equipment (boots, underwear, socks, etc) until you're several weeks into the program.  Money on the books can't be used for anything other than that, so there really is only so much you can buy (if I recall correctly, around $150 was enough for you to purchase absolutely everything).  In terms of sending mail out, by the 3rd or 4th week he'll be able to receive stamped envelopes.  As mentioned, there isn't much free time, however they can usually count on at least 15 minutes a day to write.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2016, 03:20:08 PM »
I appreciate all  of the help I have received on this board.  I have a cell phone and have an account set up with Securustech for calls.  My son would like to call his father who only has a home phone.  I saw something on here about calling Consolidated Communications to set it up but it was from 2012.  Is that what he needs to do or does he also need to call Securustech?   I apologize in advance if I missed the answer to this question.  Thank you in advance for your help. 

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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2016, 04:19:48 PM »
Yes he would need his account set up through Securus also.

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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2016, 06:11:54 PM »
Your son cannot call your husband though, even if he has an account, unless you son adds him to his phone list, that is a must before he is allowed to call anyone.

If he is already on the list, then all your husband needs is an account with Securus.
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2016, 06:28:30 PM »
Thank you.  He has added him but we weren't sure if he needed to call Securus or Consolitdated Commumications since he is using a landline instead of a cell phone.  Thanks again for the info.  :)

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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2016, 06:50:30 PM »
Thank you.  He has added him but we weren't sure if he needed to call Securus or Consolitdated Commumications since he is using a landline instead of a cell phone.  Thanks again for the info.  :)

Consolidated is the OLD company IDOC used to deal with, only Securus is allowed now. 

Hope you get calls soon.
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2016, 06:58:45 PM »
Do all bootcamp graduates have house arrest as part of their parole?

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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2016, 07:10:33 AM »
Do all bootcamp graduates have house arrest as part of their parole?

Almost all that have been associated with someone on this board have had it for at least 3 months, but I am sure there is always the exception.
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