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Offline Kdm

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Bootcamp Questions
« on: November 13, 2015, 04:52:27 PM »
It seems that there are a lot more questions floating around than there are answers.  I meant to do this sooner, as I attempted to research the IIP program prior to my sentencing and found very little information.

I was sentenced in 12/14 and subsequently spent time in NRC, eventually being transferred to Dixon Springs' IIP.  I successfully completed the IIP in 05/15. 

If you have any questions about the process, my experience or anything else you might think of, feel free to post your questions.  I'll do my best to respond in the most timely matter possible.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 11:34:21 AM »
Hello , im glad i saw your post because my boyfriend is in Dixon springs and have been there October 27th
How was your experience? Was it tough to complete? How accurate are the expected release dates? Sorry if im hounding you with questions it's just the really tough for me right now. Thank you.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 11:50:32 AM »
Hello , im glad i saw your post because my boyfriend is in Dixon springs and have been there October 27th
How was your experience? Was it tough to complete? How accurate are the expected release dates? Sorry if im hounding you with questions it's just the really tough for me right now. Thank you.

Feel free to ask away.  My experience was a reasonable one - as long as you're respectful, put effort into everything, the process really isn't bad at all.  One of the most common issues I found among other inmates was that they took the actions of the officers personally.  I noticed that once my fellow inmates realized that the officers were there to do a very particular job (and it was just a job like any other), the psychological aspect became much easier.  I was at Dixon Springs as well, the staff there was reasonable and respectful.  The expected release dates, once you've actually made it to the bootcamp, are VERY accurate.  Essentially, the only reason for a date change would be for your boyfriend to receive enough demerits (or have a large enough infraction) to merit an extension.  As long as he's serious about the program, you'll see him on that 121st day. 

Let me know if you have any other questions, I'm happy to answer them.  Just as I mentioned in my previous post, I found that there was a significant lack of information on the boot camps - what information was available, was YEARS outdated. 

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 06:24:21 PM »
Glad you are here kdm, how was it finding a job after release?
He's home!

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 06:54:16 PM »
Glad you are here kdm, how was it finding a job after release?

I was self employed prior to incarceration.  My parole officer reviewed my information and felt as long as I checked in frequently with him and provided verification of income, I could remain doing the same. 

Finding employment for others was much more difficult, in part, due to post-release conditions; it is not uncommon for conditions of release to include house-arrest or an otherwise strict curfew.  Make sure you're prepared to encourage their job hunt.  It's not easy and they're likely not going to be prepared for the fact that they will need to settle for less than ideal employment.  The other consideration to make would be that by going through this program, they're exiting as a convicted felon.  In short: it won't be easy.  I will say that the majority of the people I spent time with during the program showed a very significant change in their confidence and personal fortitude.  My experience would likely indicate that they're more likely to successfully find employment than they were prior to incarceration.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2015, 03:57:04 AM »
Well that is DEFINITELY a relief! I know this Is By Far the hardest thing he has EVER had to do so Completing the program is important to him and me seeing that we have a 6 month old son! How would you know if the date changes because he has gotten in trouble? Will they Notify you or is it the inmates responsibility to let loved ones know? How Long were u on House Arrest after Being Released? His Parole officer came by about a Week after him Being in the program? He is Now More Than Half Way Thru The Program! 10 weeks Left!! How long does it take for mail to come and Go? Because I sent 3 letters and i have noway of knowing if he got them i follow the guidelines for writing and whatnot! But its been 2 almost 3 weeks and Still No Letter! Thabks For Being here KDM

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 08:25:54 AM »

During the entire process, the IDOC website will reflect the actual sentence received, at absolutely no point will it show the bootcamp out date.  For instance, if there is a 3 year sentence, it will show that until the day of graduation.  The only slightly telling indication is if the photo changes (you receive one final photo update anywhere from 2 weeks to 1 day prior to graduation).  If an inmate gets in trouble they can have their Bootcamp term extended beyond 120 days.  By law, you have to complete the program in 180 days, so any extension beyond 180 days results in being sent to prison.  The only change that will occur in the IDOC website at that time will be the institution the inmate is being held in.  This will NOT come as a surprise if it occurs.  The officers and superiors at the boot camp are difficult, however they are equally fair.  If someone is considering quitting, the counselor will have that person call home and speak to their loved ones and explain that it is their decision to quit - it is just as difficult to quit as it is to complete the program.  That said, you can also be medically terminated.  If you are not physically capable of participating, you can be sent to prison.  I've seen some shocking exceptions to that - one inmate broke his collar bone, he was in the hospital several weeks and chose to come back to the bootcamp.  He was extended for the time he was in the hospital, but was still able to complete the bootcamp.    You may call the counselor at any time and she will be able to look up if there are any extensions.

House arrest, anklets, GPS monitors: these are all dependent on the parole boards review of an inmate's case.  This is decided before you even get into the bootcamp and has absolutely no rhyme or reason.  I had no house arrest or monitor, however I was required to check in twice weekly by phone.  Some of the others in my Parole School "class," were given 30 day house arrest, 90 day house arrest, a couple even received 6 months.  An inmate in the bootcamp will go to Parole School anywhere between 60-90 days into the program.

Forevermah is correct, you will receive an initial letter from the date of the program starting.  You are told what to write, along with the date you are scheduled to graduate the program.  You do not have the opportunity to purchase writeouts until 30 days of being in the program.  Even then, you are only able to purchase a maximum of 2 each week.  An inmate is given an allowance that is used to purchase their own hygiene supplies, pens, envelopes, etc.  They must purchase all essential items (soap, shaving razor, etc) before being able to purchase envelopes - if for whatever reason they have too many essentials to purchase, they may not be able to purchase envelopes that week.  This has absolutely nothing to do with your Trust Account ("books").  Money put into the Trust Account can only be spent on clothing items, as all issued items are essentially hand-me-downs (falling apart).  That means their Trust Account money is only used to purchase boots, running shoes, t-shirts, underwear, socks, etc.  If they were to purchase everything available to them, it would be impossible to even spend $150.

That being said, mail is slow.  Expect there to be a week, sometimes more, of a delay on mail.  When you send a letter, it goes to the parent institution, gets sorted, then is finally picked up manually by an officer, driven back to the bootcamp, read by designated officers and then finally handed out to bootcampers.  The entire process is the same, however reversed, when mailing out.  It was not surprising to receive something 7-10 days after it's postmark, although it usually ran about 3 days late.  Keep in mind that you need to read mailing instructions VERY carefully.  Do not deviate from the instructions even slightly.  Writing the word "ass," for instance would be enough to cause your letter to be rejected - that means your loved one will receive a rejection notice, however will not have an opportunity to see your letter otherwise.  The rules for content are very particular.  EVERYTHING is read very thoroughly, keep that in mind.  There is zero expectation of privacy.


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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 02:36:23 PM »
Have you ever heard of admittance to IIP Without a suggestion from the court?  There is a 2012 copy of a statute for something that indicates one could be suggested for IIP AT INTAKE.  Just curious?!

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 03:08:38 PM »
Have you ever heard of admittance to IIP Without a suggestion from the court?  There is a 2012 copy of a statute for something that indicates one could be suggested for IIP AT INTAKE.  Just curious?!




 

Section 460.30  Screening and Placement

 

a)         Committed persons approved by the courts shall, subject to availability of space, be screened for placement in the program at a reception and classification center or unit in accordance with 20 Ill. Adm. Code 503.Subpart A.  In determining program approval of eligible committed persons, the Department may also consider, among other matters:

 

1)         The committed person's criminal history, including outstanding warrants or detainers.

 

2)         Whether the committed person has a history of escaping or absconding or attempting to escape or abscond.

 

3)         Whether the committed person's participation in the program would pose a risk to the safety and security of any person or the facility.

 

4)         The committed person's grade status.

 

5)         The committed person's disciplinary record and institutional adjustment.

 

6)         Availability of space in the program.

 

7)         Whether the committed person has any known enemies in the program.

 

8)         Whether the committed person has or agrees to obtain a suitable host site and a working telephone for placement on electronic monitoring upon successful completion of the program.

 

b)         The committed person shall be evaluated by a physician and mental health professional to determine whether he is physically and mentally able to participate in the program.

 

c)         The committed person shall sign a consent to participate in the program and to adhere to the terms and conditions of the program.

 

d)         If the committed person's screening indicates the committed person is eligible for acceptance in the program, the committed person may be assigned to a correctional facility until such time as space is available in the program. In order to remain eligible for acceptance in the program, the committed person must, among other matters, maintain eligibility requirements and a positive disciplinary record and institutional adjustment while awaiting transfer to the program facility.  Acceptance in the program shall not be deemed to occur until such time as the committed person is admitted to the impact incarceration program facility.  The committed person may grieve a determination that he is no longer eligible for acceptance in the program in accordance with Section 460.90.

 

e)         Committed persons not accepted by the Department for placement in the program shall be assigned to a correctional facility to serve the sentence imposed by the sentencing court.

 

f)         The Department shall notify the sentencing court in writing of a committed person's acceptance in the Impact Incarceration Program.

 

(Source:  Amended at 18 Ill. Reg. 2933, effective February 14, 1994)
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 06:43:08 PM »
Have you ever heard of admittance to IIP Without a suggestion from the court?  There is a 2012 copy of a statute for something that indicates one could be suggested for IIP AT INTAKE.  Just curious?!

That's a question for an attorney.  In the official IIP paperwork that was distributed, it included a note that said that a judge's recommendation was part of the process (it had precisely what Forevermah makes reference to). To be honest, I'm not even sure how that is recorded - when I was transferred from Cook County to Stateville for receiving, they marked on my paperwork a "B/C," which indicated that were being separated from general population.  That said, I don't know how they would pull someone with no sentencing recommendation from general population into the bootcamper receiving area.

My gut says it's something legalese which makes it allowed, how it is from a practical perspective, I don't know.  Consult an attorney.  I am happy to provide a recommendation to the attorney I utilized, should you need one.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 06:55:03 PM »
The judge has to request the inmate go to bootcamp and the IDOC has the final decision on who goes as is stated in the Title 20 Administrative Rules I posted above.


The Du Quoin Impact Incarceration Program is a short term, paramilitary style rehabilitation program which houses 200 offenders. Du Quoin IIP functions as a bootcamp, whereby eligible offenders approved by the sentencing court and accepted by the department, shall upon successful completion of the program requirements have their sentences reduced to time served between 120-180 active days. Upon successful completion, the offender shall serve a term of mandatory supervised release.
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 08:03:11 PM »
How long were you in NRC?

I checked with the state and they said there is currently no wait for Bootcamp and my son's counselor confirmed his eligibility.  He has had the physical/medical tests and has never been arrested for anything else.
She said the only risk is if he gets a ticket while waiting for the paperwork to be completed.
I don't know what "paperwork" means especially after reading the article about the people who are brought in and released the same day.
He has only been at NRC for two weeks but a counselor when he first arrived said it would be 10 days or more.  Today this counselor said maybe 90 days but then said she really didn't know when I questioned her.
Before my son went in we were told that NRC keeps people for a minimum of 60 days so they can get payment from the state.
My son has been told that people go to bootcamp once a week.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 08:29:59 PM »
 If your son has been approved, it may take a bit longer for them to process his paperwork, all his evaluations etc and then he has to wait for a bed to open up in boot camp.  Hopefully  he is moved soon.

The 60 day rule has nothing to do your son, since he is being moved to boot camp and will be there at least 120-180 days.

Yes people do go to bootcamp regularly, but no telling how long they wait to get there.  the waits used to be 90+ days, but that isn't the case anymore.

Good Luck, hope he gets into the program soon and then his time starts !
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 06:55:45 AM »
Thanks for the reply.
I thought bootcamp was a minimum of 120 days (but up to 180) or does it depend on the person?
So if his evaluations are complete and he is confirmed eligible, what paperwork is left?

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 07:35:21 AM »
Thanks for the reply.
I thought bootcamp was a minimum of 120 days (but up to 180) or does it depend on the person?
So if his evaluations are complete and he is confirmed eligible, what paperwork is left?


They have to go over everything with his paperwork and once a bed opens up he will go, if he is approved he will be moved.  This is the hardest part for him and you, the waiting. IDOC moves at their own pace, be patient.  Keep writing him and giving him lots of support, this is a tough program and he will need your support and read up on the bootcamp board so you know from others, what to expect.

Yes 120 but up to 180 days if anything happens, gets sick/ gets into trouble .. he has 180 days to finish the program.

Have you called:  #217-558-2200  Ask for Bob the Boot Camp Coordinator ... to see if he has any info on when your son may be moved?
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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2016, 08:02:25 PM »
My son was moved to East Moline and told he was denied bootcamp because a doctor in the county jail prescribed him something to sleep.
He was told there is no review.
Does anyone know who has authority over review?  Can the mental health office at East Moline review or are only reception centers authorized to review for bootcamp?  He was told he could file a grievance about transfer placement.  Does anyone know who that grievance goes to and if they have authority over bootcamp placement?

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2016, 10:03:04 PM »
How long were you in NRC?

I checked with the state and they said there is currently no wait for Bootcamp and my son's counselor confirmed his eligibility.  He has had the physical/medical tests and has never been arrested for anything else.
She said the only risk is if he gets a ticket while waiting for the paperwork to be completed.
I don't know what "paperwork" means especially after reading the article about the people who are brought in and released the same day.
He has only been at NRC for two weeks but a counselor when he first arrived said it would be 10 days or more.  Today this counselor said maybe 90 days but then said she really didn't know when I questioned her.
Before my son went in we were told that NRC keeps people for a minimum of 60 days so they can get payment from the state.
My son has been told that people go to bootcamp once a week.

I was in NRC for about 3 weeks (December 10th until Jan 1st).  The wait time fluctuates regardless of bunk availability.  When I arrived at Dixon Springs, the facility was at about half occupancy - apparently summer is when they increase their numbers.  Prior to my arrival, there had been no pack-outs for 6 weeks, other than those going to an actual prison rather than a bootcamp.  He can get a ticket, however bootcampers are segregated from general population while at NRC - as long as he is not up to anything inappropriate, he has nothing to worry about.

The 60 day hold to get "payment," from the state is not accurate.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2016, 10:07:11 PM »
Thanks for the reply.
I thought bootcamp was a minimum of 120 days (but up to 180) or does it depend on the person?
So if his evaluations are complete and he is confirmed eligible, what paperwork is left?


Bootcamp is 120 days (depart on the 121st) so long as there are no extensions.  Extensions are based on conduct while in the program, demerits and major infractions.  I'd say about 50% of the people I was present with completed the program with no extensions.  If someone receives enough extensions in which they exceed the 180 days, they will be removed from the program and sent to prison to sit the remainder of their court mandated sentence.

If his evals and medicals are completed (which are a joke for the most part) it's just a waiting game.  Don't stress out thinking about when it might be, because there genuinely is no rhyme or discernible reason.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2016, 10:09:59 PM »
My son was moved to East Moline and told he was denied bootcamp because a doctor in the county jail prescribed him something to sleep.
He was told there is no review.
Does anyone know who has authority over review?  Can the mental health office at East Moline review or are only reception centers authorized to review for bootcamp?  He was told he could file a grievance about transfer placement.  Does anyone know who that grievance goes to and if they have authority over bootcamp placement?

Unfortunately there is no appeal for this.  They will deny people with particular medical conditions, medication requirements (mostly psychotropic).  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, however bootcamp is now out of the question.

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Re: Bootcamp Questions
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2016, 05:49:06 PM »
My son was moved to East Moline and told he was denied bootcamp because a doctor in the county jail prescribed him something to sleep.
He was told there is no review.
Does anyone know who has authority over review?  Can the mental health office at East Moline review or are only reception centers authorized to review for bootcamp?  He was told he could file a grievance about transfer placement.  Does anyone know who that grievance goes to and if they have authority over bootcamp placement?

Unfortunately there is no appeal for this.  They will deny people with particular medical conditions, medication requirements (mostly psychotropic).  I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, however bootcamp is now out of the question.

Thanks for all of your replies.
My son saw someone in mental health at East Moline who said his denial was a mistake.  She was going to fix the record.
I feel like we are now back at square one.  He even thinks that he has to return to Stateville but it will be harder because there will be a lingering confusion.  I wonder if she'll have the authority from East Moline to overrule Stateville or if all mental health providers have the same authority.  Is it too much to hope for that he'd be put at the top of the list?  When he left Stateville both Bootcamp pods were full and he had been there three weeks.