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Rauner promises cuts, closures without Illinois budget deal

Jun 3, 2015, 6:21am CDT Updated: Jun 3, 2015, 7:43am CDT


Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner said Tuesday he will close state facilities and curtail spending if no budget agreement is reached by July 1.

Possible closures include two juvenile detention facilities, a southern Illinois minimum-security prison work camp and five state museums, the Associated Press reports. Rauner also said he could ground state aircraft. The savings would amount to $400 million, Rauner said.

Democratic legislative leaders have approved a budget with a revenue gap of at least $3 billion, though Rauner says it is bigger.

“(House) Speaker (Michael) Madigan, (Senate) President (John) Cullerton and the politicians they control refuse to act responsibly and reform state government,” Rauner spokesman Lance Trover said in a release. “It is time they come to the table with Gov. Rauner to turn around Illinois.”

A Cullerton spokeswoman told the AP, “Unfortunately, today’s actions signal that the governor would rather slash child care, services for troubled youth and senior care rather than work on a bipartisan budget solution.”

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2015, 05:23:54 PM »
I wish they would be more specific about which prisons they are considering closing
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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2015, 07:31:50 PM »
I wish they would be more specific about which prisons they are considering closing
I know...I'm not sure which work camps are in So.Illinois..Hardin,maybe?
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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2015, 07:37:41 PM »
Pittsfield work camp

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2015, 08:29:01 PM »
Another article I read said it was Hardin.

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2015, 08:34:23 PM »
Another article I read said it was Hardin.
Hardin's the only one I could think of that would be down South-way...I always thought Pittsfield to be West...
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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2015, 09:26:15 PM »

Hardin County work camp is the one they are talking about closing. Shawnee is the parent prison to this work camp.  If this happens approximately 180 inmates will be moved.

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 10:23:56 PM »
Moved to where? There isn't any room in any other prison!
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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 08:00:06 AM »




Rauner 'management' plan called devastating

June 04, 2015 5:00 am  •  By Nick Mariano




Devastating.

That was the word of choice among several talking about the possible closure of two more Southern Illinois correction facilities.

Gov. Bruce Rauner announced possibly shutting down the facilities, along with other cutbacks, totaling initial savings of $400 million. The move is in response to a budget proposed by General Assembly leaders he says is $4 billion shy of being balanced.

The Hardin County Work Camp and two yet-to-be-determined juvenile youth centers are among cuts in the governor’s “management steps,” announced Tuesday in response to the Democrat-led budget plan.

One of the six youth detention centers in the state is in Harrisburg. It would be the second in the region shuttered in nearly as many years should it close. The other was in Murphysboro closed by then-Gov. Pat Quinn as part of a money-saving plan that also closed the Tamms Correctional Center.

“Oh, my goodness, it would be devastating,” said Harrisburg Mayor Dale Fowler. The mayor is an Illinois Department of Corrections veteran, ending his career with the department as a chief engineer at the Harrisburg facility in 2012.

Eldorado Mayor Rocky James said the same. James retired from the center as a shift supervisor about six months ago. Both men said the center employs more than 200 people. The Hardin County Work Camp employs about 60 people, DOC spokeswoman Nicole J. Wilson said. Those staffers would be offered vacant jobs at other facilities.
Rauner threatens to shutter prisons, toll road project

SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner said Tuesday he will close a prison work camp, shutter up to two juvenile detention centers and suspend plans to build the Illiana Expressway in response to the budget plan approved by Democrats.

Closing the camp would hurt in other ways, the mayors said. Earlier this year, inmates collected 1,800 bags of trash along state highways in Saline County in under a week. They are also known to help communities fight flooding and to donate food from work camp gardens. Donations include food sent to summer food programs for children.

The cities do not have the staff or the money to pick up the garbage, Fowler and James said.

Mix in other recent job losses – about 85 people lost their jobs in early May at the American Coal mine in Galatia – and rising costs – insurance companies under health exchanges are seeking more than a 10 percent premium rate hike – and the forecast for economic recovery in the high poverty area of southeastern Illinois calls for difficult days ahead, the mayors said.

They are still waiting to see what happens with the governor’s proposal to cut 50 percent of income tax receipts paid to municipalities through the Local Government Distributive Fund. Combined, the two cities would lose $700,000 a year. As it is, Eldorado is barely scraping by, James said.

“It would devastate Saline County,” James said. “This area is already struggling enough.”
Democrats roll out budget without Rauner support

SPRINGFIELD -- Democrats began rolling out their own spending plan Monday, saying they oppose Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner's attempt to tie budget talks to his pro-business agenda.

Wilson said employees at the work camp would be offered to fill existing vacancies at the Shawnee and Vienna correctional centers. The 185 inmates housed there would be transferred to one of five other work camps in the state or to a minimum security prison.

Closing the camp would save the state about $1 million a year by cutting out operational expenses at the site and by reducing overtime and fuel costs at the Shawnee and Vienna facilities, Wilson said.

The DOC is also spending $145,000 a year to rent a portable kitchen at the work camp because the facility’s kitchen was severely damaged by a fire a few years ago, she said. 

The Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice will conduct a review of its facilities before announcing a timetable or its criteria for selecting which two juvenile centers would be closed.

State Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, called the governor’s management plan an attack on philosophies held by Democrats. He said the work camp is one of the largest employers in Hardin County and the proposed cut would be a reversal of Rauner’s plan to reduce overcrowded prisons and understaffing.

The budget fight is far from over, Phelps noted, even in the face of a possible shutdown. He hopes the plan is nothing more than seeking leverage as the political parties posture over the state’s next budget.

Democrats led by House Speaker Mike Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton have said the budget can be balanced with a tax increase, but Rauner wants a property tax freeze, worker compensation reform, terms limits and other business-friendly changes designed to promote job growth.

“It’s devastating to know that he is trying to do this to working families,” Phelps said. “His budget was out of whack, as well. We had to do something so government wouldn’t shut down. I am hoping he doesn’t want government to shut down, because I don’t.”

Rauner spokesman Lance Trover fired back that it was Democrats who have put the state in a fiscal crisis, forcing the governor to take drastic action to balance spending.

“Rep. Phelps continues to empower Speaker Madigan and vote for his unbalanced budgets, which have plunged Illinois into a $10 billion hole,” Trover said in an emailed response. “Gov. Rauner is working to shake up Springfield while protecting the middle class, not the political class of special interests supported by Rep. Phelps and Speaker Madigan.”

The budget fight is not lost upon Rose Denton. She owns Rose’s Kountry Kitchen in Cave-in-Rock, located just south of the work camp on Illinois 1 that leads into the Ohio River town.

She is upset by the potential closing of the camp, but she also blames legislators for the fiscal crisis that appears to call for drastic and immediate cuts rather than a series of cuts over a longer period of time.

“I was so devastated,” she said.


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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2015, 09:08:36 AM »

Rauner may close up to 2 youth prisons
Illinois Youth Center in St. Charles among those under review
Published: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:12 p.m. CDT

The Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice plans to do a comprehensive review of all of its youth facilities, including the Illinois Youth Center in St. Charles, in response to Gov. Bruce Rauner’s plan to close as many as two youth prisons to fill a budget gap.

Rauner recently released details of the steps he is taking to balance a proposed budget that is nearly $4 billion in the hole. In a news release, Rauner stated that with the capacity of the state’s youth prisons at 1,200 beds and with less than 700 occupied, the juvenile system has a surplus of capacity.

“We are conducting a review of all facilities,” Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice spokesman Mike Theodore said. He said the review is being done in response to Rauner’s statement.

The Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice operates six youth prisons. The Illinois Youth Center, located at 3825 Campton Hills Road, St. Charles, opened in December 1904, according to the Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice’s website. The facility has a capacity of 348, and an average daily population of 328.

The average age of an inmate at the center is 16. The medium-security facility processes the majority of all male youth committed to the Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice. In 2013, the average stay in a Illinois youth prison was nine months, Theodore said.


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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 08:11:34 PM »


The adminstrative process begins to close at least two state institutions

By Amanda Vinicky

Governor Bruce Rauner is officially moving forward with plans to close a Department of Corrections work camp in Hardin, and the Illinois State Museum in Springfield.

The director of the state commission on forecasting Dan Long says Rauner's office has turned in paperwork to begin the closure process. Long says the next step requires the administration to turn in information on the consequences of shutting down those facilities, "that has to include information in terms of the number of employees involved, the impact it'll have on closing the facility, what the economic impact would be -- there's a whole series of questions which have to be addressed."

Ultimately, a bipartisan group of legislators will make a recommendation on whether the prison work camp and state museum should close or not. But the final decision remains with the governor.

Rauner, a Republican issued a press release earlier this month saying he plans to also close some youth prisons, but did not specify which.

Long says no paperwork has been filed to begin the closure of any juvenile detention centers.


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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 08:44:00 PM »
Where on earth are they going to get a "bipartisan group of legislators"?   

I gotta' see this! 

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2015, 12:05:26 PM »
June 16. 2015 2:54PM
Rauner cuts will halt funding for Logan Correctional Center improvements

Funds for a $6.2 million construction project at the Logan Correctional Center will stall as part of Gov. Bruce Rauner’s spending cuts announced last week.

The Republican governor said a plethora of cuts will take effect in response to the ongoing budget standoff between himself and Democratic leaders House Speaker Michael Madigan and Sen. President John Cullerton, both from Chicago. Among the cuts is the suspension of some construction projects, including an addition to the Logan Correctional Center, a women’s prison in Lincoln.

“Sadly, Speaker Madigan and the politicians he controls are more interested in wasting time on sham votes than negotiating with the administration to turn around Illinois,” Rauner spokeswoman Catherine Kelly said.

A portion of the prison will be remodeled for use as a residential treatment center for mental health and will house 119 beds. RD Lawrence, a Springfield construction firm, is serving as the coordinating contractor.

RD Lawrence owner John Goetz said construction is already underway on two 1,600-square-foot additions that will house utilities.

Department of Corrections spokeswoman Nicole Wilson would not answer several basic questions on the project such as square footage, number of workers needed to staff the center and what forms of mental illness will be treated.

“We have no further comment at this time,” she said.

The project was scheduled for completion in about six months, but Goetz said if funding is halted, it would likely take longer.

The facility is being built in response to Rasho v. Godinez, an ongoing class-action lawsuit filed against the state alleging Corrections violated prisoners’ constitutional rights by not providing adequate mental health treatment.

The parties reached a partial settlement in May 2013 requiring the department to create a plan for providing mental care without binding the state to enforce it.

Ashoor Rasho, a burglar with a history of paranoia and self-harm, originally filed the suit after alleging he was unfairly segregated at the now-closed Tamms Correctional Center.

Alan Mills, executive director of the Uptown People’s Law Center, said he joined the case after seeing the abhorrent conditions the mentally ill faced in prison.

“The more we investigated, the worse it looked,” he said. “Eventually we talked to the department and nothing happened, so we joined the lawsuit.”

John Heyrman, a clinical law professor at the University of Chicago, said mental health treatment for Illinois prisoners has always been subpar.

“We were never particularly good at this,” he said. “The National Association of Mental Illness gives grades to the states. We’ve hovered between an F and D.”

The parties to the lawsuit would rather settle than face a trial, Mills said. However, they need some kind of agreement requiring the state to follow through, especially given its fiscal situation.

“We’re talking about a lot more hiring, which of course is money, which is something the state at the moment is a little short on,” he said.

Heyrman said the chief concern is people’s suffering, but there is also a cost associated with not treating the inmates. Mentally ill prisoners can disrupt the prison environment and often have high rates of recidivism when untreated.

“Even if you don’t care about the suffering, you care about them following the rules and not getting in trouble with other inmates,” he said.

The mentally ill are also more likely to become victims of prison violence, he said.

Mills said even with the governor’s proposed spending freeze, the state has no excuse for not providing care.

“The Constitution doesn’t allow you to do that,” he said. “The Constitution says you have to comply with it whether it’s convenient or not or you have other priorities.”

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2015, 04:21:54 AM »
Does anyone know if Rainer does not get everything approved by July 1st and the state goes into a budget shutdown..would it effect our visits and phone calls with our loved ones to where the prison system keep phones off and lock up our loved ones for undetermined amount of time due to not paying the prison guards? My loved one and I are worried about this because I currently have no transportation and where my mail goes I have not been able to check therefore writing will be out of question for a bit for him to respond back to my letters.

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2015, 10:53:30 AM »

Report: No job losses if Illinois work camp closes

July 09, 2015 10:35 am

SPRINGFIELD — The proposed closure of a southern Illinois prison work camp will not result in any of the workers losing their jobs, a new report says.

In a letter outlining Gov. Bruce Rauner's plan to shutter the 35-year-old Hardin County Work Camp, state prison officials say there are enough vacancies at the Shawnee and Vienna prisons to accommodate the 61 employees working at the camp.

"All employees will be offered vacant positions by seniority," the Illinois Department of Corrections report states.

In June, Rauner announced the closure of the 280-inmate work camp and the Illinois State Museum as part of a cost-cutting move after lawmakers sent him a spending plan that was more than $3 billion short of revenue.

Under state law, any attempt to close a state facility employing more than 25 workers must go through a legislative review process that includes public hearings and a detailed time line.

The report submitted by Corrections is the latest step in that process. A public hearing on the proposed closure is expected to be scheduled for either July 20 or July 24 at the Hardin County High School in Elizabethtown.

The Legislature's Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability has until late August to issue a non-binding opinion on whether the facility should be closed.

The work camp sits on 15 acres of land about four miles north of Cave-In-Rock.

According to the report, the closure will save an estimated $1 million annually. The state also can avoid having to spend as much as $9.8 million in construction upgrades, including a new kitchen, electrical work and water treatment improvements.

A separate environmental assessment of the site found no significant environmental concerns. A survey showing what the closure would do to the region's economy is expected to be submitted later this week.

The report notes that at least one underground fuel storage tank would have to be removed. The estimated costs of closing down the site were listed at $25,000.

The proposed closure has drawn the scorn of state lawmakers who represent the region. State Sen. Gary Forby of Benton and state Rep. Brandon Phelps of Harrisburg, both Democrats, say the Republican governor is targeting the facility for political reasons.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union has called the closure "senseless."

http://qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/report-no-job-losses-if-illinois-work-camp-closes/article_dc4e331a-96e1-53a0-a699-a20c116a6761.html

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2015, 08:59:59 AM »
Hearing scheduled on Hardin County Work Camp closure

July 14, 2015 7:00 am  

The commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability announced Monday it will host a public hearing related to the closure of the Hardin County Work Camp in Cave-in-Rock.

The meeting will be conducted Monday, July 20, at 2 p.m. at the Hardin County High School in Elizabethtown.

The public is invited.

The hearing will consist of testimony before the commission on the closure from the Illinois Department of Corrections, local stakeholders and residents. The commission is required to give an advisory opinion within 50 days of receiving a recommendation for closure.

Anyone wishing to give testimony or submit written material can call the commission at 217-785-3208, or by email at facilityclousureilga.gov.

-- The Southern


http://thesouthern.com/news/local/hearing-scheduled-on-hardin-county-work-camp-closure/article_303049ba-c7aa-575f-a7cf-304010474f57.html

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2015, 01:16:17 PM »

Panel rejects Rauner's plan to close museum, prison camp


SPRINGFIELD — A panel of lawmakers sent a message to Gov. Bruce Rauner Wednesday: Don't close the Illinois State Museum in Springfield or the Hardin County work camp in southern Illinois.

On two 7-2 votes, members of the Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability recommended the two facilities — as well as satellite operations of the museum in Whittington, Lewistown, Chicago and Lockport — stay open.

Three Republicans on the panel bucked the Republican governor's plan to shutter the facilities, including state Reps. Don Moffitt of Gilson, Raymond Poe of Springfield and Mike Unes of East Peoria.

Moffitt said the museum should find ways to generate revenue during tough budget times.

"I think we need to look at a modest fee for those attending," Moffitt said.

State Sen. Donne Trotter, D-Chicago, also came to the defense of the 280-inmate work camp, which employs 60 workers north of Cave-In-Rock.

"The Hardin work camp also has an intrinsic value," Trotter said.

The advisory vote came a day after the Illinois Senate passed a measure requiring the state to keep the museum sites open.

Rauner proposed closing the sites in July as part of the ongoing budget impasse, triggering a review process by the legislative commission because each facility employs a large number of state workers.

In arguing in favor of the closure of the 35-year-old work camp, the Illinois Department of Corrections said each of the employees would be able to transfer to nearby prisons.

Closing the camp is estimated to save $1 million. The state also would be able to avoid having to spend as much as $9.8 million in upgrades.

But, said state Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton, the camp is an important part of the southern Illinois economy.

"The last governor came along and closed the prison at Tamms and a youth prison in Murphysboro. Now this governor wants to close the work camp and another juvenile detention center in Benton. What else can they do to my district?" Forby said.

State Rep. Tim Butler, R-Springfield, said he was pleased with the vote on the museum. But, he said the loss of tourism spending in the community, the cost of closing the 138-year-old facility and the potential for lawsuits surrounding the closure could come back to haunt Rauner.

"I think at the end of the day closing the state museum is going to be a money loser for the state," Butler said. "I think its going to be a real problem for us."

Butler agrees with Moffitt that the museum should consider charging a fee to help offset the $4.8 million cost to operate the facility.

Rauner signaled Tuesday that he's moving forward with the closures regardless of the commission's vote when his administration issued layoff notices for workers at the museum.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/panel-rejects-rauner-s-plan-to-close-museum-prison-camp/article_f3c0e6e9-1cc3-5b9e-8722-00847046ef43.html

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2015, 10:33:13 AM »

Hardin County Work Camp Set to Close in December

Originally printed at http://www.wsiltv.com/news/local/Hardin-County-Work-Camp-Closing-in-December-

August 10, 2015

HARDIN COUNTY -- The fight continues over the Hardin County Work Camp. A spokesperson for the Illinois Department of Corrections confirmed plans to close the facility.

Representative Brandon Phelps said he plans to continue to fight Governor Rauner over that plan.

The battle to keep correctional facilities open in southern Illinois has brought more than a few hard hits.

"It's too easy for the governor to do this and I'm not going to stand for it. Having Tamm's already closed and now maybe Hardin County or Sparta," said Phelps.

This recent blow to the Hardin County Work Camp has put residents, the correctional officers, and Phelps on the ropes.

"We're going to work together in a bipartisan manner to come up with some good strong language so the governor can't just do this on a political gain," said Phelps.

Governor Rauner suggested closing the camp to save the state money. A representative with the Illinois Department of Corrections said shutting the facility down will allow the agency to save taxpayers one million dollars a year in operational and overtime costs.

The decision comes only days after an Illinois government oversight committee voted to keep it open.

"There were Republicans on there that voted to keep it open. So I know it's just advisory but we're also going to try to maybe pass a bill where it has more teeth," explained Phelps.

A bill making it harder to close facilities may also secure jobs. For now, everyone on staff at the work camp will keep their jobs but at another IDOC facility.

The Hardin County Work Camp will close December 31.

"We've got a long time to try to work on that and I'm going to continue to do that. People know me, I'm not going to quit fighting," added Phelps.

Inmates will transfer to other work camps or minimum security facilities, where they will still have educational and vocational programs.

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2015, 04:24:12 PM »
Inmate population dwindling at Illinois work camp Gov. Bruce Rauner announced would close

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois — The number of inmates at a southern Illinois work camp that Gov. Bruce Rauner said he planned to close has dropped considerably.

According to the Illinois Department of Corrections, the Hardin County work camp has 85 inmates as of Monday, down from more than 260 in January. Rauner announced plans to close the work camp in June because of state budget problems.

The population drawdown is due to new inmates not being assigned to the camp, the Springfield bureau of Lee Enterprises newspapers (http://bit.ly/1jWcnew ) reports. The camp typically has inmates with less time left on sentences than inmates at traditional prisons.

State Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton, said closing the camp would take "jobs out of southern Illinois." Rauner spokeswoman Catherine Kelly said in an email that camp employees would be allowed to transfer to Shawnee or Vienna correctional centers. The camp's employment level has remained steady at 54 workers.

Corrections spokeswoman Nicole Wilson said in an email that inmate populations are also down at other work camps. The number of inmates at the Clayton work camp is down from 193 in January to 125 as of Sept. 30, she said, and the Green County work camp population is down from 181 to 135.

According to Wilson, the Corrections Department's inmate population is down from 49,020 in September 2014 to 46,668 in September of this year.

Closing the Hardin County work camp by Dec. 31 would save about $1 million annually, Wilson said. The state also wouldn't need to upgrade the kitchen, electrical system and water treatment operation, which could cost of as much as $9.8 million.

State Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, said Wednesday that his staff is looking into how to keep the work camp open, including earmark money from lawmakers.

The union representing workers at the prison opposes the drawback in inmates at the Hardin County camp. Roberta Lynch, executive director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 31, said lawmakers should tell Rauner to keep the work camp open.

"If the governor's commitment to reducing recidivism is real and not just talk, he would encourage this program, not starve it to death," Lynch said.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/ad55c238a329438ea9ef22c8803dd873/IL--Hardin-Work-Camp

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Re: Rauner Promises Cuts, Closures Without Illinois Budget Deal
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2015, 03:23:02 PM »
I'm a bit confused as to why they would close a good program too. Seems backwards to me...
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