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Offline mamacita1

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2008, 03:03:08 PM »
In our situation he needed to be transferred to a facility that offered a drug program.  He was given several choices, and he chose the one where he is at now and loves it (well, as much as you can love prison). As he becomes eligible for another transfer, his counselor told him that he would be eligible to go to East Moline, a level 6.  So for sure, I know they can jump two levels at a time.

Someone will come along and answer your question with more authority, I am sure.  But I am guessing is that his counselor offered him these choices because of bed availability.  If you all have a different preference, I would ask the counselor about it and see what they say.  It may be something as simple as saying yes, but you have to wait for an opening.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2008, 03:11:23 PM »
the counselor didn't offer him anything. he has to wait until August some time before he was told he could REQUEST a transfer. And then I heard he got to pick 3 places.  I don't know. Just trying to figure out fact from rumors.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2008, 03:15:31 PM »
Has he talked to his counselor about the process?  They are generally good about giving facts as pertains to his situation.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2008, 03:21:28 PM »
the counselor there won't talk to ANYONE. His cellie says the same thing as does all the family members in the waiting room when I go visit. I've even heard from inmates other than his cellie the same thing.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2008, 03:24:40 PM »
Rick,

How is one classified? 

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I guess I hit the wrong button when I replied toi this earlier.

Seriousness of offense and length of sentence are the primary factors in deciding where an inmate goes. Other things that are considered are: Court orders of treatment, legislative mandates (i.e. sex offender treatment) physical, medical and mental health need of the inmate. The inmate may request Protective Custody, which would almost definitely place him at Pontiac, there are other PC units but Pontiac is the primary one. The inmate could be in Witness Protection, in which case he would have to go to Illinos River. Usually those that are hiding from the gangs go there after they have testified in court. In this case an inmate will NOT show up on the DOC website but you can find them on VINE. Previous trips to DOC and if the inmate has an escape record. The fact that a person is charged with escape is enough to place them in a more secure setting. The ability of the inmate to adapt to his prison is taken into account as well. For example, a child molester should not be celled with an inmate convicted of murder and doing a life sentence. The probability of harm is too great. I hope this helps.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2008, 05:41:14 AM »
Rtippie:  You are right.  As a matter of fact, my son's counselor told my son that he might want to consider being transferred to East Moline, and he's at a level 4 right now.  I think it has lots to do with behavior and time left.  But I highly doubt that a transfer from a level 2 to 6 would be seriously considered.

Delvalle:  You have me stumped!  I am wondering: did your son get sent there right away?  As far as I know, only those who have less than 2 years in their time are allowed to transfer to Sheridan.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2008, 10:57:41 PM »
Ok, we are getting frustrated by this process.  J was approved for Graham back in April.  He has not been moved.  As of July 7th, his request had expired...this we got from J's mom's contact in the IL Senate who is working on this for us.   She said he had to re-apply before she could do anything.  We called Lawrence, his counselor is never available and the person we both talked to told us they automatically renew the transfer request when it expires unless the inmate says they don't want to go anymore.  All that being said, if they automatically renew it then why would our contact in the IL Senate get info that his transfer was expired?  His mom is meeting with an attorney tomorrow about this b/c his lack of transfer amounts to a denial of access to SO treatment which is a legislative mandate for release.  My opinion is that the prosector has a hand in all of this in an attempt to keep him in for the full 5 years.  He should be eligible for release in Jan 09 and he has not been awarded one day of good time yet.  A certain very high profile individual with the exact same charge and exact same sentence who was sent to a much lower level facility has already been awarded 3 months GT...oh, and that individual went in 6 months after J.  The whole thing has me getting more and more ******** off everyday.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2008, 11:42:18 PM »
Klo...

You are justified in your feelings of frustration.  I think somewhere before I might have mentioned that although approved, it may exprire and he would have to re-apply.  Here is my suggestion...your loved one should re-apply....it is not automatic (so far as I know). 

While I understand how you might think that the prosecutor still has his lil grubby hands in this case....I have found that IDOC operates without "outsiders" perspectives, except of course in extenuating circumstances....

Is your loved one SURE that he has not been awarded one day of good time?  My son has been in for a spell, but he was told that he had to apply for it....and for the moment, does not have it reflected on his sentence either (he has not formally applied for it).  I am wondering if those convicted of certain offenses must formally request this?

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2008, 07:57:03 PM »
I know of no one who has had to apply for good time.  It's always been automatic....day for a day is reflected right from the beginning of an incarceration and MGT is deducted in two installments....after a few months of incarceration.  There is definately something amiss with your husband's sentence Klo.  I'd keep after everyone.  It might be a case of an extremely inept, lazy counselor or there's something else going on....I'd get to the bottom of it before it's too late....have you tried inmate issues in Springfield?  Hopefully he isn't another victim of the push to fill up Rushville...with commitment hearings.  It's disgusting what they are doing to those with these convictions.  Keep after everyone..... :wc30:
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2008, 09:22:07 PM »
If they try to pull that his mother said she'd get the best representation money can buy.  He has no prior history and the 'victim' was 17 and said it was consentual so it would be hard to prove he is a threat to society...but they would!  His counselor is never there when we call.  Hopefully J calls tomorrow and I can get the update from the inside. 

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2008, 09:35:31 PM »
I hope so.  If counseling is a prerequisite to his release then they damned well better get business taken care of.  That's just BS that he's sat all this time without the so-called treatment necessary.  They know the consequences for him...they are just so mismanaged themselves.  These SO laws need to be revamped....what a battle that would be...but it's sooo not working the way it is now...
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2008, 09:36:38 PM »
Have you tried to report this counselor to the head of clinical services?  Tell then how inept and inaccessible he is...and ask for a change of counselor if he won't do his duties....
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2008, 06:45:03 PM »
I missed his call on tuesday and hopefully will get a call tomorrow.  Once I have the story from the inside I am going to pursue further action. I have called 4 times now and his counselor is NEVER there.  I do believe that when his 50% is up they have to release him, with or without treatment b/c the law says that lack of available treatment is not grounds for anything, even good time cannot be held if he cannot get it b/c of lack of availability.  I wish I could say we are approaching the 6 month countdown but until I get some confirmation it looks a lot more like a one year countdown without any good time credit.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2008, 10:51:14 AM »
I know of no one who has had to apply for good time.  It's always been automatic....day for a day is reflected right from the beginning of an incarceration and MGT is deducted in two installments....after a few months of incarceration.

I am confused because my husband has to apply for his good time. When he was at Hill CC he was able to apply for his good time every three months. It ususally took 2-3 months to get a response and typically Hill would give back 15 days each time he put in. That was until last year when he started filing grievances concerning the amount of time awarded and sending that to Springfield, which overturned the 15 days and he was awarded 3 months each time instead. This happened at least 4 times. Wait, are you guys talking about automatic good time instead of any good time lost? I am always confused. Probably because I didn't read the whole thread.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2008, 10:55:12 AM »
LOL...we're talking about automatic good time...which I'm unaware that it must be applied for....I never heard of such a thing.  Yes, you do have to apply to have good time restored that has been lost for disciplinary reasons.  That can be done every 90 days through the inmate's counselor.  I'm talking about just ordinary day for day and Meritous Good Time.
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2008, 04:11:53 PM »
Klo,

I agree with Dazz on this I would stay on everyone. I seem to remember that every "candidate" for Rushville was ordered to have the SO treatment and that quack Doctor got on the stand and said they didn't get any counseling even if they did but it would validate their point more if he hasn't had any counseloring. It could be something totally different but I just don't trust them with the way they handle SO's. 

Do they have to have 2 or more sexually violent crimes before they are considered for Rushville?
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2008, 10:52:51 PM »
He has no priors other than this BS thing so I think they would have a hard case for Rushville, even given the way they pull stuff with that.  There was nothing violent about his case other than the name of the charge implying it.

I talked to him briefly yesterday.  He said he has only seen his actual counselor once when he first got there.  He said two different people he spoke to said he could not apply for good time yet.  Lawrence is typically a disciplinary place and he was sent there b/c of "bed space".  He got on the van being told he was going to Vienna then was told to get off at Lawrence.  18 month later he's still there.  If he gets the automatic 6 months he should be out in 6 months which means he should be working on getting housing set up for release.  Even with 12 months to go I would think he should be getting that approval process going.  He has not lost any good time, he has never been given any.  He has never been ticketed and has earned the reputation as the easy-going guy they can stick the pain in the a$$ with and he'll get them to settle down.  I told him he needs to formally request his good time be awarded.  I told him that whatever they tell him he needs to get it in writing and to quit being the nice guy who does not want to make waves, now is the time to start working through the appropriate channels, even going as far as the warden if necessary.  Does anyone know what happens if it gets to the 50% point of his sentence and he has done the time...do they just let him out?  What about the good time?  If it gets to January and he still has not been given any, what can he do?  Heck, if it gets to August and he still does not have any, what can he do? 

As for his transfer request, he was told the same...that they automatically renew it.  What happens when he is still sitting there in 6 months?  With good time he should be out in 6 months but I think the problem is he is at Lawrence, a place where people who get in trouble in IDOC go so he thinks they are not very forthcoming with the good time.  He should be getting it, there is no reason he is not.  I have written the deputy director, who happens to have his office at Lawrence and he never responded.  I'm sending another letter this weekend.  It irritates me that they are jerking me around like I am some fool who does not know the law and I think it irritates them when I call and cite the law by number but I rather enjoy that.  I'm a tax payer (like all of us) and it infuriates me the way this system is being run.  In my line of work, if I did not return calls or respond to letters of concern regarding one of my staff members, I would lose my job and yet these people continue to not do their jobs and we continue to pay their salaries.  IDOC is not an independent contractor, they are a state agency and the lack of accountability is beyond comprehension. 

I will get an update on the legislative end from his mom this weekend.  I'm working the IDOC end and she is working through a few of her friends with contacts in the state government.  She did call John Howard who basically said to keep sending letters so...not much help.

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 07:10:13 PM »
Great information......thanks so much, all of you!  Humbird
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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2008, 10:21:23 PM »
Here's the latest...I did receive a response to my letter...asking me to be patient and assuring me that his transfer would be re-approved...it was as of July 16th.  In the days before I received the response he was visited by his counselor 5 times...mostly just checking in and assuring him that the transfer would still go through.  He also met with a woman from mental health or whatever it is called for an evaluation.  She said he would be eligible for SO treatment...which they have at Graham (his approved transfer) but that it would be a 90 wait list to get in once he got there and with his short time left it would be unlikely that he would even get in with enough time to complete it.  In the same letter he told me about that meeting, he said after two days of mulling it all over, he wrote a letter to his counselor reqesting that he be tranfered to graham immediately for treatment.  He does not think anything will come of it, but to continue to hold him at Lawrence when he has requested treatment in writing is to summarily deny him access to treatment.  Now we just wait and see.  He's in on a 5 year at 50% and has been at Lawrence with 23 hour/day lockdown for 19 months now.  He has been told that the earliest he can be released is April 29th b/c SO's can only get 90 days good time.  So...that means 8 months to go.  Not what he wanted, but still better than the alternative.  Hopefully he'll get to spend some of that time at Graham so it will be a little more pleasant...as pleasant as IDOC can be. :-)

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Re: Transfer Coordinator
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2008, 01:42:06 AM »
In response to meritous (spelling?) good time, I asked my son why his "good time" (classes taken) appears on his out projected parole date (it was reduced).....but his tenure of prison time reflecting his meritous good time (which should be three months) does not appear (even though he has been an exemplary prisoner).

He says this is done automatically, but  is not necessarily reflected on the computer.Do any of your know of something similar?

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